冠軍之後,磨得更LEE的小李飛刀-YoungLee專訪(下)

2023-3-23  記者田靖/綜合報導

(圖_YoungLee提供)

訪談上篇

大嘻哈之後 持續追尋音樂的奧秘

《大嘻哈時代2》現在熱映中,其中不乏許多備受矚目的新秀,像是Gummy B、艾蜜莉AMILI Majin等等。與YoungLee同樣發跡於崑山嘻研社的好友也在節目上獻聲,包括與YoungLee一起參加過可可幫嘴砲學霸盃的「超酷的姊姊」C Grass ,以及之後崑山嘻研的社長—「風光少年兄」阿跨面Aquaman,還有來自友校南應嘻研,把大嘻哈時代當大戀愛時代在演的God Øne。表演經驗豐富的YoungLee對他們有什麼看法呢?

「能不能走到最後倒是其次,我希望他們能從節目中拿走他們想要的東西,像是眼球以及耳朵。像當初Multiverse被淘汰後,很多人就說他不看節目了,這是我感觸很深的地方。當節目播完之後,他們還會不會聽你的音樂?」

YoungLee在大嘻哈時代上與吳卓源Julia合作改編〈買榜〉(圖_YoungLee提供)。

今年2月,來自台大醫學系的嘻哈歌手神經元在《大嘻哈時代2》中演唱〈台大醫學FREESTYLE〉,其中一句歌詞「有人乘了1.35還是沒我高,想要念醫學系你的大考分數得破表」遭炎上,躍上新聞版面。歌詞內容提及原住民考試加分制度,引發歧視原住民、消費原住民傷痛的爭議。饒舌團體「參劈」的成員、清華大學人類學研究所助理教授林老師撰寫〈從「阿帕契」到「1.35倍」-饒舌美學與族群意識的碰撞與共存〉回應此起風波,林老師表示:「1.35倍對我來說也絕對不會只是一句Punchline而已。如同我之前強調的,饒舌已不再純粹,也很難有純粹的饒舌歌手,大家都有著不同的身份與關係,也自然會有相應的資源與責任。 」他強調:「原住民族群意識和饒舌美學,是可以並存的。 」

1.35事件」發生後,YoungLee很認真地去思考這件事,這樣算是歧視嗎?YoungLee表示,關於這件事,他還在思考答案的灰色地帶。

「當下聽到的時候,單純覺得這只是一個很兇的Punchline,道德層面沒有覺得涉及歧視。」YoungLee說道,詞彙的選擇是每位饒舌歌手獨一無二之處。

Punchline的方式有很多種,不一定要提到原住民。那是因為每個饒舌歌手使用的詞彙不同。我相信他不是唯一一個這麼做,會引發關注可能是因為他的技術很厲害,加上又在大嘻哈的舞台上,所以獲得較高的關注度。」

這讓我想起蛋堡「有夠難約 S2 | Ep. 1 — 詩人、賭徒、毒販」提及的,蛋堡談到關於饒舌傳遞思想這件事情,他舉例Nas有一首歌是講在地獄殺了七個修女之類的(查了一下可能是MC Serch的Back to the Grill,參與獻聲的Nas有一句歌詞是I’m wavin’ automatic guns at nuns.)。蛋堡說:「既然人的腦袋想得到,為什麼不能講出來?在藝術的世界裡面,是要你想得到什麼就能夠呈現什麼,而不用去先以社會的觀點去設定。」

我喜歡的饒舌團體Jedi Mind Tricks當中的歌手Vinnie Paz,經常在歌詞中大量使用針對同性戀的歧視語言。2011年他們到荷蘭阿姆斯特丹巡演時,慘遭當地的性別倡議團體抗議。你說他保守嗎?在使用歧視語言的同時,Jedi Mind Tricks以批判美國政府的凶狠歌詞著稱,歌詞經常為伊斯蘭、底層勞工以及少數移民發聲。人間裡的不公不義,都是他們狙擊的目標。嘻哈音樂裡的多元與歧異,有機會讓我們擺脫「標籤化」或「非黑即白」的認知框架,引領我們用不一樣的角度理解世界。

這個發人省思的問題,值得我們在聆聽音樂的旅程中細細探究。YoungLee藉此反思台灣的嘻哈環境:「台灣的嘻哈文化正在快速發展,一些人甚至不太聽90年代嘻哈。我會把神經元這件事視為養份。台灣的嘻哈文化會因為這樣一次一次的討論,慢慢蓋出一棟大樓來。」

兄弟登山 各自努力

節目結束後不久,YoungLee離開了熟悉的台南,搬到了台中生活。

「我覺得現在的年紀需要在稍微水深火熱的氣氛裡。在台南有時候過得比較舒適,一不小心一天就這樣過去,搬來台中覺得很多東西都很剛好。」

「好客工作室的成員目前各奔南北,朝著自己的目標前進。Kev6 在台北、我和Jack在台中、書源還在台南。就像是火影忍者疾風傳第七班各自修練的過程。再度集結後,每個人都會找到心中的抱負。我們也是一樣,現在各自去拚,集合的那一天總會到來。」

目前,YoungLee正在籌備新專輯,也有拍MV的打算,甚至舉行全台巡演。我們可以期待不再懼怕什麼、徹底清醒的YoungLee,拿著磨得愈來愈Lee的小李飛刀。在這波浪又凶又急的嘻哈風潮裡,穩穩站在浪尖上。身上佈滿透亮的露水,閃耀著煥然一新的Champion鋒芒。

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